Kevin eyes him with immense suspicion. Kylo Ren would bother to make Kevin's life easier if Kevin were doing something supportive at Hibiki or Eleanor. Basically every other time, Kevin is confident that Kylo would much rather make things more difficult instead, and the odds of this conversation ending with the door mockingly slammed into his face are very high.

"Very little," he concedes. "I've seen what you can do with it, a few times. However, whenever you've mentioned it in the past, it's been in terms of balance."

The Force has never been the focus of any of their previous conversations, in the middle of the night or out by the lake. But Kylo has mentioned it in passing just often enough for Kevin to believe these things are linked.